Obama Guaranteed to Win in 2012, But It’s Still a Purple Country

Obama Takes The States. This Election Means Obama Wins in 2012.

Obama Takes The States. This Election Means Obama Wins in 2012.

Obama got 365 electoral votes. McCain got 162. The last time an incumbent only got one term, it was Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter got a handy 297 electoral votes vs. Gerald Ford’s 240. While Obama’s 365 isn’t quite the 489 electoral vote win Ronald Reagan enjoyed in 1980, it’s still prodigious. And Obama is no Jimmy Carter. And whoever the Republicans run, it stands to reason it ain’t gonna be a Ronald Reagan.

What that means is that Obama is going to be our president for the next 8 years. Almost guaranteed. Republicans stand a much better chance of making gains in the house and senate in 2010 and 2014, and possibly 2012, given the lessons of history. But the presidency? In 2012? At this point, if you look at the changing Demographics of the country, the long term doesn’t look great for the Republicans. Here’s how Jimmy Carter won in 1976:

The 1976 Electoral Map. It Dont Look Like That Now.

The 1976 Electoral Map. It Don't Look Like That Now.

Versus how Bill Clinton won in 1992:

Heres the 1992 Electoral Map. See anything different about how Clinton won?

Here's the 1992 Electoral Map. See anything different about how Clinton won?

However, it’s not the end of the Republicans or conservatives as many on the left are crowing. Here’s two interesting maps that break out the counties by the level of Democratic and Republican votes:

Its not red and blue states, people. The states are purple. It doesnt make much to make the difference.

It's not red and blue states, people. The states are purple. It doesn't make much to make the difference.

Compare that to the same map for 2004, where Bush won handily:

The Purple State Map for 2004. See what Im talking about?

The Purple State Map for 2004. See what I'm talking about?

Another interesting map comparison:    
A stark county-by-county map of election returns for 2008. Notice something about rural areas?

A stark county-by-county map of election returns for 2008. Notice something about rural areas?

Here’s the same map from 2004:


The 2004 county-by-county map. Doesnt seem nearly so stark, when you break it out by district, does it?

The 2004 county-by-county map. Doesn't seem nearly so stark, when you break it out by district, does it?

What does it mean? It means that demographics are shifting, but not so much that there isn’t going to be a Republican president again in 8 to 12 years. It certainly doesn’t suggest there will be permanent Democrat majorities in the house and senate, although many on the left seem to expect that.

But the maps do indicate that Democrats have a solid electoral strategy, and they may be able to play it often and better in the future. They may be able to enjoy 16 years in the Whitehouse before the Republicans find a way to respond. If then. Urban areas, which almost always go blue, are expanding in the south and west, and it shows in the election returns. And, if you trace Reagan through Obama, you see that big electoral prizes like California used to be able to go Republican and, while there’s still a lot of red in California, it’s not enough to overcome the heavy democrat voting in dense urban areas.

As always seems to be the case, central planning is going to be our undoing.

But the maps alone don’t guarantee an Obama victory in 2012. They just say, “Sure. It’s doable.”

It’s history that says Obama will in in 2012. It’s tough to unseat the incumbent party after one term. Almost never happens. Add to that historical challenge the fact of Obama’s charisma and eloquence, and the distinct electoral majority he managed to achieve, and any Republican running against him in 2012 is on a suicide mission. They better have something really unique, a really untried and different strategy–cough, cough, Ron Paul–or they might as well forget it. Mike Huckabee? Otherwise known as McCain dressed in a church?

The conclusion is foregone.

46 Responses to “Obama Guaranteed to Win in 2012, But It’s Still a Purple Country”

  1. 1 Walker November 11, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Why have that hopeless feeling for four years when you can have it for eight?

  2. 2 memetrics November 11, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Just lookin’ at the terrain, soldier. There’s a lot of ground to be won in battles of ideas, well fought. Just looking at the lessons of history, this most recent campaign, and the shifting electoral map, and think conservatives need to focus their resources on the house and the senate, and take them very, very seriously. If we lose ground in 2010, we’re well on our way to re-learning the lessons of Europe.

  3. 3 James January 28, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    “The last time an incumbent only got one term, it was Jimmy Carter.”

    Do you mean incumbent democrat? Or are you excluding Bush Sr. for another reason?

  4. 4 Memetrics January 29, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Right you are. What I meant to say (but did not, so it’s no different than just plain being wrong) is that the last time the incumbent party only got one term was Jimmy Carter–meaning the Dems picked it up from the Republicans when Carter beat Ford–so the Dems got elected, got one term, and got the boot. It was 12 years of Reagan Bush, baby! Eight years of Clinton/Gore. Eight Years of Bush/Cheney. Now it’s almost sure to be Eight Years of Obamarama!

    It’s less unusual for the incumbent party to lost after three terms. I should have been more clarified.

  5. 5 Jim Rousch May 14, 2009 at 5:43 am

    While I might agree that the United States is PURPLE for the moment, I predict that it will be blue by 2016, due to stark changes in racial and religious demographics.

    There will be more multiracial citizens and fewer Americans who will adhere to Christian fundamentalism. If the Republican National Committee does not pick up on these changes, I would venture to say that RNC might not even be around for the November election in 2016.

    For the Republican Party to win their fight for survival, they must abandon religious rhetoric and become inclusive to those outside their Anglo base. If they adhere to their current views, they will be gone.

    Who might take their place is anyone’s guess because most conservative Christians would never vote Libertarian.

  6. 6 pat August 1, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    The GOP will always be hear it will be a different one than the christian one we have now. It will be more Libertarian

  7. 7 pat August 1, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    here* ha sorry

  8. 8 Lord Basil August 3, 2009 at 7:43 am

    Americans are too smart to be fooled again, and they will not re-elect the Marxist homosexual Barack Hussein Obama in 2012.

    If Palin wins the nomination for the GOP, she will carry at least 40 states.

  9. 9 bonncaruso August 3, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Ignoring the stupid comment of Lord Basil, who obviously has his head stuck up his ass…

    The statistical probability of Obama being re-elected is very high. Indeed, the massive electoral base he built of states where he won in massive landslides (22 states) will be hard to break.

    The very closest states on each side of the fence could flip, i.e., Missouri is likely to move blue. NC could slip the other way, back into the GOP fold.

    The most telling part of all of this was that Obama won VA, a rock-solid GOP state since Eisenhower’s sweep in 1952, with a +6.30% margin, something you can read in my analysis of the 9.25 pick up states from 2008.

    This was in no way a close win and more than likely will be a DEM landslide in 2012.

    Watch GA, MT, both Dakotas and AZ to see which way 2012 will run.

    And back to asswipe Lord Basil: I have news for you. The DEMOCRATS are praying that Palin gets nominated. She killed McCain’s chances in 2008. If she is nominated, then Obama wins a 46 state sweep in 2012.

  10. 10 jjpnj September 8, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Making predictions about the 2012 election is nonsensical at this point. Many things can happen that would ensure a Obama’s re-election or doom it. Given recent events and polling at this moment in time Obama would surely lose a re-election bid. Yet things can change, he could realize he needs to moderate to fit the wants and needs of a center-right nation like President Clinton did, or fail to do so and end up like President Carter. The choice is his and his alone. Looking at the Republican Party landscape of 2012 it is too early to write the GOP off yet. Many of the current contenders may seem to be nonstarters but who is to say a rising star won’t emerge? Our president has an unknown political entity just five years ago. in 2009 and 2010 the GOP may pick up Senate seats and Governor’s mansions which would widen the field of potential 2012 and 2016 candidates. At this point in time we cannot predict the national mood or the political contenders of 2012.

  11. 11 CHAZ September 27, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Very interesting comments! It shows how people will use anything to try and bolster their position, which I will now do…LOL…. Ummmm, Barack Hussein Obama won last years presidential election for 2 major reasons. #1 It was an American Idol contest, the Handsome Prince vs the Old Fart. #2 Voters’ hatred for Bush/Cheney. You then throw in all of the favorable treatment that Obama received from the liberal biased news media (except Hannity), moveon.org, etc, so how could he lose? I mean you really only have to convince a handful of the swing voters (which are simply idiotic people that never pay attention to politics and don’t understand what made this country great) in a few key swing states and you got it electorally. If you compare the voting data in states such as FL, IN and NC, you’ll find that he really didn’t win by much in those states. All things considered, McCain did suprisingly well if you ask me! As for VA, well, that state has a large black population that voted for the first time in their lives for one thing and one thing only, skin color. And they call us the racists? I definitely think a strong Republican can win in 2012, only because Barack Hussein Obama is turning his so called “dream” into a nightmare, and the “change” that he so maliciously spoke of, is scaring all of the those idiotic swing voters that I spoke of easlier. Romney/Pawlenty 2012

  12. 12 Jojobear November 12, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    As long as blacks are still allowed to vote… Obama will win again.

  13. 13 Robert January 27, 2010 at 5:05 am

    nice company you’re keeping here.

  14. 14 Memetrics January 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Why, thanks, Robert. And you’re part of that company.

  15. 15 thirdpartyvote March 7, 2010 at 4:25 am

    Yes, it would be great. Maybe we can have 40% unemployment, fines for refusing to buy health insurance, and skyrocketing inflation, if only we can get lucky enough to have BHO for four more years.

  16. 16 emo April 10, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    If the economy is doing well, Obama will win. That is all that will matter. The fact he is a western civilization hating Marxist anti-Semite wont matter to the voters. The problems he and the Fed have created wont hit until after 2012, more like 2013-14. 2014 will be a wipeout for the Dems in the Senate. Even in an Obama 2012 landslide the GOP could pickup 1-2 Senate seats. Think it is impossible??? That is exactly what happened in 1984 and 1972. The GOP lost 1 net seat in both years.

    I dont agree that ND and SD will switch, they werent that close to begin with. GA could. Most obvious is MT and MO, though MO’s demographics arent changing very rapidly. MO is still mostly white and black. Almost no asians and few hispanics.

    Also Palin didnt hurt McCain. Please site the credible poll that shows it did (ie no Kos Kids polls, Gallup, Mason Dixon etc). The financial panic hurt McCain and his response to it.

    Obam’s 2012 coat-tails will depend on how many Obamazombies show up.

  17. 17 Geraldine Spencer April 10, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    We can only pray that Obama will be able to continue doing things for Americans that have been pushed under the rug for so long. I have total confidence in him, and he has proven that it is not “politics only” with him. He is concerned about us. If the Republican won in 2012; ecspecially the way they have acted during the healthcare reform and the tea party movement; I would feel I was in a communist country.
    Obama has given me hope…and I feel he is looking out for us now, and for the future of America.

  18. 18 Matthew April 20, 2010 at 6:05 am

    Obama is not the Socialist the tea Party wants us to believe he is. He is basically serving reheated left overs from the Republicans (a health reform law without a public option). The political climate is so ironic! We have the tea party protesting a President with pretty moderate to conservative policies. Yes I voted for him with the hope that he would not pander to corporate interest too much. In the health reform I was wrong. Student loan reform I was right, thanks at least for that. The ONLY Republican candidate I would vote for would bd Ron Paul. I don’t agree with him entirely but at least we would stop spending money on the military, and he would at least be a man of integrity.

  19. 19 mactexas July 15, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    OMG I am reading this in July of 2010 and notice that some of the Right were talking about how Obama’s plan has failed BEFORE HE EVEN TOOK OFFICE! No wonder people think Republicans are ignorant. Geeeeez

  20. 20 Sally Hill July 20, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Geraldine – you are so right, it not just about politics for Obama – it’s ONLY about Obama with Obama. If it doesn’t help Obama, then he could care less about it. What kind of Hope do you have? Hope that we can somehow pay off this debt without your taxes going up? Hope that this country can survive his presidency? Obama is a total narcissist – yet you somehow cannot see that?

    Matthew – you think he is moderate to conservative? OMG – you must be part of the left-wing fringe, because let me assure you, from a moderate person, there isn’t anything moderate much less conservative about Obama. Perhaps you ‘think’ he is moderate to conservative because he also is not liberal – Obama is a narcissist – pure and simple. Obama is out for Obama and Obama only.

    I don’t even care if a Democrat wins in 2012, as long as it is NOT Obama! He is a very dangerous man with mental problems.

  21. 21 Mr. T1 August 14, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Whether or not Obama gets re-elected depends almost entirely on how the economy is performing. If it is still in the crapper, I think even Sarah Palin could beat him.

  22. 22 Memetrics August 16, 2010 at 3:53 am

    Mr. T1,

    It’s not just the economy–which wasn’t that great (revisionists–of which, believe me, there are many–aside) when Jimmy Carter was running, but he was polling pretty well up until Reagan really turned on the heat, and smoked Carter in the debates. And Ted Kennedy challenged him in the primary. FDRs New Deal wasn’t helping much of anything when Roosevelt enjoyed pretty much a landslide for getting his second term.

    It’s more than the economy–it’s the power of incumbency, whether or not the incumbent leverages that, and who the opposition runs. Even things like having a primary challenger makes a difference–a year long primary challenge in 2012 could really wear Obama down, while just having some boring old Republican run the same-old “Obama the Socialist” campaign won’t be nearly as moving.

    But, yeah, a stronger economy that people felt in their pocketbooks would make a big difference. But compared to 1979, our economy is still pretty awesome.

  23. 23 Memetrics August 16, 2010 at 4:01 am

    BTW, Jim Rousch, if you ever come back, or bonncaruso–feeling so sure about Dem landslides now?

    The Republicans suck codswollop–at least, compared to the glory days of Ronaldus Magnus–and still the seem to be gaining ground on the Democrats. Palin might not win (polls show she remains a polarizing figure) but, in general, the popularity of Democrats has take a nosedive with independents and conservadems and crossover Republicans.

    Just sayin’.

    And Matthew–the only Republican I’ll vote for is one running against a liberal. So I’d vote for a libertarian, too, if my other choice was a liberal. 😉

  24. 24 bonncaruso August 17, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Yes, I am pretty sure of an Obama landslide in 2012. That was the topic of discussion here.

    In the midterms, the party in power almost always takes a hit, and in both houses. That is not unusual.

  25. 25 philip usher August 24, 2010 at 6:53 am

    The map of the 1992 election of Bill Clinton is a bit off. Clinton did not win the states of Arizona and Florida in 1992, he won both of them in 1996. The map listed above would make the electoral count go just over 400 with 34 states won by Clinton according to 1992 electoral values. In 1996 he won Florida and Arizona, but lost Georgia, Montana and Colorado which gave him 31 states and 379 electoral votes.

  26. 26 philip usher August 24, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I voted for Obama in 2008, but I am an Independent who will not vote for him again no matter if things do get better. That’s not to say I’m in love with the GOP either. Obama may win in 2012 but it will be no landslide. There is a group of stubborn red states he would have to break the ice with, and that will not happen. The same is true if a GOP candidate tries to break the ice in the east or extreme west of the country. I don’t see Obama changing the minds of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, N and S Dakota, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, S Carolina, Arizona, Wyoming an Idaho. That is 15 states where his job approval rating is an average of 40. These states alone keep his electoral totals below 400. I would not call it a landslide unless he wins at least 38 states and 400 or more electoral votes with a 12 point spread in the popular vote. Furthermore, with the problems in California, a lot of Conservatives and Independents are moving to Oregon. That state may eventually start flipping from blue to red. The polls over there show a slight lead for the GOP candidate for Gov of that state. Other signs of trouble for this President are stubbornly blues states like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania and Michigan are starting to be light blue for him. Most of those states in fact right now are showing a weak job approval for him for against him at this stage in his term. States like Ohio, Colorado, Indiana, N Carolina, Nevada and Virginia which he flipped red to blue are ready to flip back with the exception of possibly Virginia. If Obama wins in 2012, he will not win a landslide. He will win with the traditional big blues states that Democrats now carry and a few swing states. He may get the same 28 states he won in 2008, but I think it will be more like the right 22 to 24 states and just enough electoral power to push him past 270. In the extreme east, the little states of New Hampshire and Rhode Island may be the states that decide the 2012 election. Obama is slightly negative in approval in one and 50/50 in the other. He will need to carry the east like he did before, and firm up his support again in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan. He will also have to make sure Oregon, New Mexico, Florida and Virginia stay with him to get past the 270. My belief is that he has lost Nevada, Colorado, Indiana, N Carolina and Ohio for good. Based on today’s electoral vote numbers that gives Obama a 24 state 304 electoral vote win. He can lose either Florida or Virginia and still win. He can’t lose both. He can also lose New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Virginia which gives him 21 states and 283 electoral votes. Back in 1996 when the country was doing great economically and every ones pocket book was OK, the US only gave Clinton a 31 state 379 electoral vote win. That is the best case scenario I see for an Obama landslide.

  27. 27 David August 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    PLZ Repubs nominate Palin PLZ, I cant wait to see her get smoked in the debates and how Tina Fey ripps her apart. Now that I have HD it will be more vivid in my living room.

  28. 28 philip usher September 2, 2010 at 12:12 am

    Back in 1996 Clinton ran against Dole which isn’t any better than Palin today. Obama may win,,,but he won’t get a landslide. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone in the Democratic didn’t mount a challenge against the President for the 2012 nomination. Like Carter in 1980, Ted Kennedy almost knocked him out of the running for his second term. Reagan did beat him. I don’t see anyone right now that will really beat Obama, but he wont win in a landslide. He is to unpopular in the South and part of the Midwest. 20 to 23 states is all he will win.

  29. 29 philip usher September 2, 2010 at 1:10 am

    Here is a little breakdown of Obamas 2012 re-election challenge in some of the states and why he will not get that landslide. 60% don’t approve in Alabama, 65% don’t approve in Arkansas, 55% don’t approve in Colorado, 57% don’t approve in Georgia, 68% don’t approve in in Idaho, 63% don’t approve in Kansas, 58% don’t approve in Kentucky, 58% don’t approve in Louisiana, 53% don’t approve in Michigan, 56% don’t approve in Missouri, 61% don’t approve in Nebraska, 55% don’t approve in Nevada, 58% don’t approve in N Carolina, 58% don’t approve in N Dakota, 54% don’t approve in Ohio, 65% don’t approve in Oklahoma, 53% don’t approve in Oregon, 54% don’t approve in Pennsylvania, 58% don’t approve in S Carolina, 59% don’t approve in S Dakota, 57% don’t approve in Tennessee, 63% don’t approve in Texas, 63% don’t approve in Utah, 67% don’t approve in W Virgina and 70% don’t approve in Wyoming. In his home state his approval rating has dropped from 62% to 55%. Minnesota is probably the most reliable blue state in the US. Even Reagan couldn’t take it from Mondale in 1984 while winning the other 49 states. Minnesota is giving Obama the lowest job approval rating a Democrat has earned from that state in over 40 years. Only 44% currently approve of the Job the President is doing. In the rest of the country, his approval is in the low 50s% or high 40s with the approval being higher than those who don’t approve. The only exceptions are California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Delaware and Hawaii where he is in the high 50s to low 60s.

    I fully expect some of these states to come back to him in 2012, mind you not very strong, but for him nevertheless.

  30. 30 Deserwest December 20, 2010 at 6:20 am

    Bush 41 was the last incumbant to go down, not Carter. Mr. Gorbachov, TAKE DOWN THIS WEBSITE !

  31. 31 Memetrics December 20, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Deserwest: Gorbachov doesn’t control the website! That being said, yes, you are right, Bush 41 was the last incumbent to get the boot . . . I don’t know what I was thinking. But, the larger point is that Carter faced a primary challenge and Bush 41 faced a 3rd party. Without something like that, Obama still has a good chance of winning in 2012. Coattails? That, I dunno.

  32. 32 Bill Gibbons March 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Chaz has a point. It was image and rhetoric that won the White House for Obama. The smiling “nice guy” in the oval office is a Marxist, and a pretty poor one at that. His stimulus spendinmg has not worked, his attempt to force a USSR-like socialized healthcare program on America, and his refusal to defend DOMA all tell me one thing; he is not fit to run the greatest democracy on earth.

    This pretender to the crown is not only the least vetted President in US history – and it shows – but his association with radicla black Marxist theology preachers (Reverend White – “God damn America!”), an unapologetic urban terrorist (William Ayers) and Chigao slum lord crook (the now indicted Tony Rezko)means only one thing: Obama is not fit to be president and absolutely MUST be booted out of office in 2012.

    If we don’t get rid of this do-nothing empty suit soon, America will be finished as a world power.

  33. 33 Andy C March 13, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Bill, first of all, Obama is not even a Liberal much less a Marxist. You’ve let the Neo-McCarthyism get inside your head, boy. Second, it’s Reverend Wright not White. I want to hear you talk about Bush’s buddies (ie the bin Laden Family) because it would only be fair. As far as Obama losing in 2012, forget about it. Walker, Kasich, Snyder, and the other GOP Governors who are making efforts and/or have stripped collective bargaining rights of unions (the only organizations making sure workers are treated humanely and fairly compensated) have cost the GOP any chance at taking the White House in 2012. Do not be surprised if Crybaby Boehner has to hand the gavel back to Pelosi come January, 2013.

  34. 34 Flashi March 29, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I will continue to pray that you are wrong. Yes, I’m one of those “I’ll keep my gun and religion, you keep the change” people.
    I do not want the federal government to “watch over” me. I don’t need them to run my life even if they could make me healthier or more comfortable. That is NOT their job.
    They aren’t doing the job that they were assigned to do in the first place. They are doing a lot of things that they do not have constitutional authority to do.
    As to Obama being a Marxist or socialist, read his own book, “Dreams from My Father”. He admits that he sought out these people in college. He continues to seek these people out. Many are frequent visitors to the White House. I never thought I would live to see a Christmas Ornament of Mao on a tree in the White House.
    As to whether Christian conservatives would vote for a Libertarian versus Obama, you betcha.
    By the way, the President of the United States’ job is not to give you hope. You need to find that elsewhere. His main job is to keep this country safe. Ask Jan Brewer of AZ if he’s doing a great job there.

  35. 35 Andy C March 29, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Flashi, you seem to be quite mistaken in your philosophy that the government watching over you is a Liberal thing. The PATRIOT Act was passed by the Republicans, and sadly reauthorized by Faux-Liberal President Obama. Obama has done a few liberal things, such as repealing don’t ask don’t tell, putting a stop to private funded student loans, among a couple other things (which I commend him for) but he has appeased the right more than the left. That half-assed Health Reform Bill did much more for the HMO’s than for those who can’t afford healthcare. He also landed us in another war with no congressional authorization. A true socialist would have assured that Universal Healthcare be a right for all Americans. The Presiden’t Job is to be the leader of the US, with limited powers of course, not just to keep us safe. Never forget al Queda received CIA Training under the Reagan Administration, so how did that turn out?The function of government is to ensure the safety, well-being and liberty of its people. I don’t see what liberty is infringed under universal healthcare, as I have heard many argue. Does it infringe on your right to choose which corporation gets to rape you? Remember not all Socialism is bad, and not all Capitalism is good. End this Third Red Scare already.
    Kucinich for President in 2012.

  36. 36 KJack July 1, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Wow! It’s pretty amazing that whenever a “white president” is elected , you rarely hear “anyone who says oh, the only reason you voted for the president is because he is white….. however,now that we have a “black president”the only reason that minorities voted for him is because he’s black? Pull your head out of your anal crevice, this man is a friggin “Law Professor” this is “not” some stupid idiot who can’t string two sentences together this is a man who is trying from the bottom of his hear to help the average everyday working man and woman in this country but because he wants “EVERYBODY to pay their fair share of the tax burden he’s a socialist???? Because he wants millionaires and billioinaires to pay their fair share he’s a marxist,socialist,etc?

    Not to mention Obamacare!!!! Oh for God sake don’t make people stand up and get health insurance and be responsible for themselves,I thought that was the GOP mantra??? Accepting personal resposibilty?

    Guess who gets to pay for those who are uninsured???? We the taxpayers!!! guess who gets to foot the bill if someone drives an automobile without auto insurance and gets in a car wreck not to mention causing catastrophic damage…you guessed it we the taxpayers!!!! Why should it be any different for health insurance?

    That God that the government mandated that people be responsible and get auto insurance and make no mistake it should be done with health insurance as well!!!

    News flash quit watching fox news it’s not news it’s a propaganda machine that has nothing but disdain and pure filthy disgusting cancerous hatred of a Black President!!! That’s all this is about folks!!

    Is our president perfect of course not!!! Is he better than what we had the last 8 years OMG there is no comparison in a million years!!!!

    It’s funny to me how many people who are really being helped by policies that this president has put in place,vote against their own best interest all because they hate a black man in the whitehouse!!! let’s examine this argument about lowering taxes and creating jobs… will someone please name “ONE” company who took their business overseas from the US and then returned during the 8 years that Bush was in office and handed out all those huge tax breaks???? Answer NONE!!!! Think folks it’s called a smokescreen…..if president Obama gave 100% tax exemption to these companies and corporations,they would still stay overseas why?
    It’s called cheap labor,child labor and no care or love for the American worker…..make no mistake it is not the Dems, Libs, Independents or Libertarians that are dividing this country it is the GOP plain and simple they hate this Bllack President and that is their sole motivation for wanting him out of the whitehouse,anything eles is just a smokescreen.

    None of them returned to the US when Bush gave the tax cuts to big corporations!!! Why didnt they come back if cutting taxes for big corporations creates jobs answer?

    Greed and cheap labor this is the big Lie that the GOP would have us believe.

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